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Subject: Re: [lojban] modals and makau
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From: "Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>

la rafael cusku di'e

>However, just to be sure, I'd like to know if there are any
>differences in semantics between
>
>	mi djuno le du'u ciska bau makau
>and
>	mi djuno le jai bau ciska

Yes, there is. Suppose that the fact in question is that they
write in Klingon. The first one says that you know that they
write in Klingon. The second says that you know Klingon.

{le du'u ciska bau makau} is a fact-type of object,
similar to {le du'u ciska bau la klingon}.
{le jai bau ciska} is a language, like {la klingon}.

Languages are not the type of things that usually
go in the x2 of djuno, so {mi djuno le jai bau ciska}
is strange.

>or, between
>	mi djuno le du'u cadzu fi'o pluta makau
>and
>	mi djuno le jai fi'o pluta fe'u cadzu

Same difference. The second one says that you "know"
the walked path, but "know" in the {djuno} sense.
Paths are not the type of objects that go in the
x2 of djuno. In the first sentence you say that you
know some fact.

co'o mi'e xorxes

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