From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 16:55:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23515 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2000 23:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Jul 2000 23:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 23:55:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 78658 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2000 23:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000717235558.78657.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.154.71 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:55:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.154.71] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: `even' (Re: [lojban] Re: Tashunkekokipapi) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:55:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la robin cusku di'e >"Bile" carries the sense of an expected action which was not performed >e.g. > >Tes~ekkür bile etmedi. >He didn't even thank me. Is "bile" always used with negatives? It seems to correspond to Spanish "siquiera", which would be the forth "even", after "aun", "hasta" and "incluso". "Siquiera" in the sense of "even" is always used with negatives, and the others always with affirmatives. "Siquiera" affirmatively would be in English "at least", which is also related to "even". The most likely instead of the least likely. ("At least the most likely", not "at least the least likely". But "even the least likely".) co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com