From pycyn@aol.com Fri Jul 28 12:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 923 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2000 19:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Jul 2000 19:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Jul 2000 19:45:38 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.27.8d1d16e (1840) for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.8d1d16e.26b33cdd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:45:33 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: vacation To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com As if to prove my point (about a slow week at the group). For newbies who might get confused by the examples, though, we should explain that does not mean that nothing brodas or any other such negative thing. has the grammar of a sumti but a role much like , creating a new predicate from an old one, in this case dropping a place rather than rearranging the ones given. But the meaning is actually much closer to or even than to a negative form, since any n-tuple that satisfies must be the relict of an n+1-tuple that satisfies by dropping the zi'o-ed member. Thus there is always another term lurking in the background though strictly irrelevant to the present context. (?zo'e : zi'o :: fe: se?) So, means something like "y has a sense of humor about z" (i.e., y has found -- or would find --something funny in respect z). It might be that the negative use of so much put foreward by the joking maikl might seriously be more useful than the official use, whose meaning -- if not function -- can be covered in other ways.