From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sat Jul 29 05:30:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13763 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2000 12:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jul 2000 12:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jul 2000 12:30:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.30] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2000 12:30:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:30:37 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: tertirxu Message-ID: <8luipd+pfqn@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1763 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, "Jorge Llambias" wrote: > What I am finding difficult about Lojban is learning the right > place structures. Any patterns that can be discovered are always > full of exceptions, and the result is that I am usually not sure > whether or not a given gismu has some mysterious trailing places > that I am forgetting. For example, I had to check recently that > {citka} had no third place, because even though I could not think > of anything that could go there, I just wasn't sure. So even > though I remember the gismu and its keyword, I'm still not confident > that I know fully what the word means. If place structures were > simpler and more regular this would not be such a problem. Oh, this sounds very good in my ears, especially out of a Lojban master's mouth! Though I'm more and more appreciating Lojban for its huge capacity of expressing things (e.g. the 'universe' of attitudinals able to concisely covering a whole psychologist's certificate) I really doubt if it will be more than a means for a handful of high-key linguists and some other intellectuals interested. The main hurdle in my opinion is the pretty complicated place structure system (much more than the logical and unambiguous base - because everybody can pick out those parts necessary for his daily use and purpose respective). And .xorxes. surely is right too, mentioning the 'weird' places of /tirxu/ - it's like defining /nanmu/ as: x1 is a man/human etc. of skin color x1 (or even: wearing a coat of colour/pattern x2)... BTW, one of my late male cat's 'hundreds' of names was Raeto-Roman "grisch-cun-stribles" (grij.kun.ctriblys): How could that be in Lojban? rusytertirxu.? What is /tartertirxu lanci/??? co'o mi'e .aulun.