From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Jul 29 23:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5677 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2000 06:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Jul 2000 06:03:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2000 06:03:49 -0000 Received: from bob (81.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.81]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e6U63m316194 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:03:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000730014752.00b615f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:02:31 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] force and pressure In-Reply-To: <0007291919420H.00887@neofelis> References: <20000728225014.65225.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000728225014.65225.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 07:06 PM 07/29/2000 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >What about units like the Newton? I remember we discussed this > >before. One possibility was to make it up from kg.m/s2, but that > >gets ugly very soon. The other way is of course fu'ivla, so > >I would say {klanrniutoni}, {klanrpaskali}, {klanrvolti}, and > >so on. Not very pretty, but better than lujvo. > >Why do fu'ivla have to be based on a gismu? I think it makes sense when >distinguishing between kulnrfarsi and bangrfarsi, or between tricrplumu and >grutrplumu. But for words that mean only one thing, I don't see the point. I >think we should use other parts of fu'ivla space. Jorge gave a good answer, but the additional answer is that sooner or later there WILL be Type 4 fu'ivla, which are the ones that have no gismu prefix. As Jorge said, they are hard to verify that they are validly made, and furthermore it is hard to decide that we have an instance where there is such a "single meaning" (very few words in natural language are truly so narrow in meaning that they can be called monosemous - most are scientific jargon terms, and they make up for being singular in meaning by being obscure to anyone not familiar with the field where they are used. After all, how many people on the street will even know that 4 pascals are a measurement and not a family? In Lojban you could tell they weren't a family because they aren't cmene, but you would not know that a pascal is a unit. Given the other thread where people are talking about the unpredictability of place structures, it seems rather useful to have the klanr- prefix that will suggest a certain kind of place structure.) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org