From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 15:58:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23093 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2000 22:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Jul 2000 22:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2000 22:58:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:58:00 -0700 Received: from 200.42.118.142 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.118.142] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Fu'ivla of class MLONGENA Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2000 22:58:00.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6932A90:01BFFB42] From: "Jorge Llambias" la djan cusku di'e >Brivla ending in CVCV are almost certainly legal. "y" is not permitted >in fu'ivla in any case, and the fifth-letter restriction prevents collision >with the type-3 algorithm. So this looks good. Actually, the restriction on "r" is either insufficient or unnecessary. If "r" is banned, "n" should be banned too, because it plays the same role as "r" for gismu whose fourth letter is "r". At lest "rn" in fourth-fifth place should be banned. On the other hand, there is no need to ban either, because the sixth letter is a vowel so no conflict is ever possible with type-3 fu'ivla that must have a consonant there. >An early version of the >current type-3 fu'ivla algorithm proposed a CVCV pseudo-rafsi for each >gismu, so that instead of kulnrblgaria (Bulgarian culture) we would have >blgariakulu or the like. Sounds nice, but it needs additional constraints, no? If -kani was the pseudo-rafsi for {klani} , I couldn't use {gauskani} for Gauss, becuase it breaks into {gau skani}. >This scheme had the advantage of putting the more general term at the end, >analogous to tanru order. It was rejected because making people learn >a whole new set of pseudo-rafsi seemed like a Bad Thing. It seems to me that the restrictions necessary at the start of such words would also be quite complicated. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com