From pycyn@aol.com Tue Aug 01 08:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6022 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2000 15:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Aug 2000 15:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.1) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2000 15:38:56 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.64.52dc1d6 (3926) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64.52dc1d6.26b8490a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:38:50 EDT Subject: RE: SW again at last To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com Damn! I sent off my copy of Weigarrt along with a copy of The Book to the Carnap constructed langauge collection at UCLA and here he is turning up again. aUi (? - I can never remember what is capitalized and what not) is oligosynthetic alright but dubiously a langauge ("There is not grammar" the book says one place, meaning that it works a lot like German -- but the word-sentence distinction is hard to make.) It would certainly fail as an empiricist language since it contains several basic object words (roots, morphemes, whatever) and those highly abstract. Don't forget Ogden & Richard's Basic English in the not-so-oligo synthetic languages. "From the one came the two, from the two the three and from the three the 10,000 things. Better stop at One." Two kinds of mystics have two kinds of objections to language. One side says language arbirarily slices up to absolute unity into things (see above -- one reading of "the two" is "I and it" and the third is "word", another puts "word" before even "I" - laudz as neo-platonist.) The other says it arbitrarily lumps distinct together. A white horse is not a horse (indeed, this horse is not a horse), everything is what it is and not another thing. There are not kinds, only idnviduals and those maybe only bundles and those bundles maybe only instantaneous in the purest sense. Real radical empiricists shouldn't talk (but write books of 2000 characters anyhow -- and many much more). So all agree the only thing to say is "Tatha", "Thus"