From graywyvern@hotmail.com Tue Aug 01 15:45:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11101 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2000 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Aug 2000 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.98) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2000 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:45:23 -0700 Received: from 63.25.119.153 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.25.119.153] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Beyond Whorf: "things," "qualities," and the origin of nouns and adjectives Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:45:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2000 22:45:23.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DC745D0:01BFFC0A] From: "michael helsem" >From: "T. Peter Park" >Reply-To: tpeterpark@erols.com li'o >--it's our brains that create the nouns, by perceiving certain >bundles of qualities as holistic unities. Our brains do it in the first >place--and then language reinforces this by "sanctifying" some of these >brain-created unities with words-- The mechanism is no more mysterious than a child "deputizing" a doll to stand for his/herself in a storylike game. Thus, a certain sound from thenceforward will be "as if"-horse. What's basic is neither linguistic nor epistemological categories, but the twin functions of "as-if" & "not-as-if" ("as-if: [not-as-if]", actually). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com