From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Aug 07 16:41:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17863 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2000 23:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Aug 2000 23:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.248) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2000 23:41:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:41:38 -0700 Received: from 200.42.117.92 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.117.92] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Beyond Whorf: "things," "qualities," and the origin of nouns and adjectives Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:41:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2000 23:41:38.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[080314A0:01C000C9] From: "Jorge Llambias" la ivAn cusku di'e >Let >us count them: (1) `beauty', the abstract quality (cf. Chinese); le ka melbi >(2) `the beautiful' as an abstract concept (similar to the first, >but perhaps not the same); lo'e melbi (In the sense of archetype, not average, of course.) >(3) `beautiful thing' (any sort of thing, >not necessarily physical), the vanilla meaning of {lo melbi}; Yes. >(4) `beautiful (young) woman' (metaphorically extendable). {le melbi}, with appropriate context. >Can (2) also be called {lo melbi}, you ask? Well, X is {lo melbi} >iff {X melbi}. Is `the beautiful (in our life)' itself beautiful? Sometimes. Sometimes {lo'e tolmelbi} can be beautiful too. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com