Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Beyond Whorf: "things," "qualities," and the origin of nouns and adjectives

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:41:38 GMT

la ivAn cusku di'e

>Let
>us count them: (1) `beauty', the abstract quality (cf. Chinese);

le ka melbi

>(2) `the beautiful' as an abstract concept (similar to the first,
>but perhaps not the same);

lo'e melbi
(In the sense of archetype, not average, of course.)

>(3) `beautiful thing' (any sort of thing,
>not necessarily physical), the vanilla meaning of {lo melbi};

Yes.

>(4) `beautiful (young) woman' (metaphorically extendable).

{le melbi}, with appropriate context.

>Can (2) also be called {lo melbi}, you ask? Well, X is {lo melbi}
>iff {X melbi}. Is `the beautiful (in our life)' itself beautiful?

Sometimes. Sometimes {lo'e tolmelbi} can be beautiful too.

co'o mi'e xorxes

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