From pycyn@aol.com Wed Aug 16 02:18:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6886 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 09:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Aug 2000 09:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Aug 2000 09:18:22 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.27.9b65517 (3983) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.9b65517.26cbb65a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:18:18 EDT Subject: Projects To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com Herewith a list of projects that some has mentioned a need for but which Lojban Central (i.e. Lojbab, Nora, and Cowan, at most) do not have time-energy-resources for) fu'ivla dictionary A list of fu'ivla isolated as of February, 2000 at least is in the draft dictionary/working directory. The words are undefined, so need translations. As a Central project this ranks well behind giving meanings and place structures to lujvo and cmavo compounds. Lojban word processor The original suggestion was for a Wordpad-style word processor with a lb spell checker that would also provide place structure for at least gismu on demand and would check and analyse lujvo. A checker for correctness of cmene also fits this early pattern. A second step was to build in the parser to check sentences for grammaticality and structure, and, as a side benefit, check for right structure closers. After an enthusiatic start the discussion moved to questions about how to do this: write from scratch in Java or build onto Emacs or Framemaker or.... This led to two other lines of development: further flourishes (tab completions, LaTex markups, conversion to HTML and the like, ...) and typography (lb in Tengwar or monospace or Hangul or...). These latter came to dominate the discussion. After a few people reported initial modules, nothing more seems to have happened. Is there a functioning significant part of an lb word processor out there somewhere? speech recognition programs Given Lojban's purported isomorphism of sound to writing and unique decomposition, this seems a natural. But the equipment is said to be pricey and expertise in its use limited. Any takers? There are several sites on the web which contain Lojban sounds, of various dialects, to use as guides and tests. MEX testing The MEX grammar of lojban is said to enable a speaker to read any mathematical formula in an unambiguous way and more simply and directly than the corresponding ordinary lojban or English. Is this true? This requires someone who knows a goodly swath of mathematics to master MEX and put it to the test. Lojbab has suggested starting with early childhood learning materials and working up step by step to see how well the system works at each level and to develop a facility at using it. Logflash This still works well on most systems that can fake MSDOS, but several people have set out either to translate it from Turbo Pascal or to recreate it in some UNIX friendly format or a roughly universal one. It also needs, even in its present form, to be extended for teaching rafsi and lujvo construction. No one has reported success or serious progress on any of these projects. The most recent reports are of a started java version by jewel@pixie.co.za (John Leuner) and an ongoing python version by taral@taral.net (Taral) og-@troglodyte.org is working on what he calls huweel.