From pycyn@aol.com Sat Aug 19 12:32:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28960 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2000 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Aug 2000 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2000 19:32:37 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.46.98d3433 (3950) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46.98d3433.26d03ad1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:32:33 EDT Subject: Re: the zi'o joke To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com Further on both 1a and 2: once we get Gricean, the fact that we use {botpi no da} rather than some other way of denying that a thing is a bottle suggests (maybe implies) that we intend to convey the information that it fails to be a bottle only in its lacking content. So, the originally objectionable straightforward ways of saying "empty bottle" turn out to be practically (though not strictly semantically) correct.