From taral@taral.net Sun Aug 20 10:03:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8982 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2000 17:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Aug 2000 17:03:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.taral.net) (128.83.168.84) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2000 17:03:40 -0000 Received: by mail.taral.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 1C03126332; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.taral.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF18724B63; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:03:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: taral@localhost.localdomain To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alfred_W=2E_Tueting_=28T=FCting=29?= Cc: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Careful with noi! In-Reply-To: <8nogr9+ujbk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT From: Taral On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting) wrote: > So, why e.g. using /botpi zi'o/ instead of just / botpi/ or /botpi > zo'e .../ *if there is no intention to express that it isn't > "bottling" anything* (and not even potentially)?! Tanru. If I want to express that something is bottle-like (in shape), then I might use /botpi be zi'o/ ... to express that it is not bottle-like in contents. I have noted that the classic "empty bottle" (e.g. the mountain dew bottle next to me) is still a /botpi/, since it contains air, or pseudo-"emptiness", since "nothing" has the additional meaning (in english) of "of no consequence, significance, or interest" -- basically zo'e. I think most people would not call air a "thing". Does air qualify for /da/? If so, we need something like "zo'e" which means not "something obvious or irrelevant" but that "nothing" which English uses. -- Taral