From zon9@hotmail.com Mon Aug 21 02:17:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9333 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 09:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Aug 2000 09:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 09:17:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: zon9@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2000 09:17:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:17:47 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: Saying "also" or "too" in Lojban Message-ID: <8nqs3r+roq3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <8no81h+kot6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1935 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.145.134 From: zon9@hotmail.com Thank you to Invent Yourself and Jorge for replying to my question. Jorge wrote that "ji'a", the Lojban word for "also", gives different meanings in different positions, so that (notwithstanding that I'm probably using "prami" incorrectly): "mi ji'a prami la lojban" means "I (in addition to you) love Lojban." "i mi prami ji'a la lojban" (what does the initial word "i" here mean, by the way?) means "I love Lojban (in addition to there being other relations between me and Lojban)." "i mi prami la lojban ji'a" means "I love Lojban (in addition to loving other things)." "i ji'a mi prami la lojban" means "In addition to other things stated, I love Lojban." I understand this (except for the initial word "i"), and it seems to me to work fine for this example, but it also seems to me that it doesn't cover all meanings in some other examples. I suppose the obvious example of this, especially after I probably misused "prami" last time, is someone saying to you, "I love you", and you wanting to say, "I love you too." None of "mi ji'a prami do", "mi prami ji'a do", "mi prami do ji'a", or "ji'a mi prami do" have the desired meaning (or at least the meaning you presumably desire), do they? The first seems to me to mean that you love them in addition to someone else loving them. Unlike "la lojban", "do" doesn't refer to the same person when both of you say it. The second seems to me to mean that you love them in addition to there being other relations between you and them. The third seems to me to mean that you love them in addition to that you love someone else. The fourth seems to me to mean you love them in addition to the last thing you said. "Also, I love you" and "I love you too" don't mean the same thing. And surely none of these mean what you presumably want to mean. So how would you say, "I love you too", in Lojban? Again, thank you in advance for any and all helpful replies.