From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Aug 21 06:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12924 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 13:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Aug 2000 13:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 13:08:19 -0000 Received: from bob (ppp39.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.39]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7LD8I727060 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000821085759.00b44be0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:06:03 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Expressing in Lojban concepts there aren't gismu for In-Reply-To: <8nqrfk+6hpv@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 09:07 AM 08/21/2000 +0000, zon9@hotmail.com wrote: >The gismu list at http://www.lojban.org/files/wordlists/gismu gives, >for example, the Lojban words "logji" for "logic", "cmaci" >for "mathematics", "saske" for a loose meaning of "science", >and "citri" for "history", but I haven't found any Lojban words >anywhere for "logician", "mathematician", "scientist", "historian", >etc. How can you express these concepts, and others like them in >general, in Lojban? Depends on what you mean by them. There is no single word in the gismu list since there is no gismu for them. Probably there are several lujvo for each, but the lujvo list is perpetually in need of volunteers to come up with glosses and eventually place structures for words that have been used in Lojban text. What is a mathematician? A mathematics-person? A mathematics-expert? A mathematics-studier? A mathematics-teacher? A mathematics-user? Each of those and many others would be a separate Lojban tanru that could be made into a distinct compound, and all of them could be translated in the right contexts as "mathematician". >Incidentally, I haven't seen any Lojban word for "philosophy" >anywhere either, so how can you express this in Lojban? This word has all of the nebulosity of the above words and then some. You need to define the word before you can hope to make a Lojban word for it. If you merely want to loan translate from the Greek, something like wisdom-fond would be a usable tanru, but few would understand you I think. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org