From pycyn@aol.com Sat Aug 26 14:44:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1086 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2000 21:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Aug 2000 21:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2000 21:44:11 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id a.65.8faa475 (3948) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65.8faa475.26d99420@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:44:00 EDT Subject: re: names of... To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com In a message dated 00-08-26 08:28:07 EDT, aulun writes: << What does this mean: "... 3) The triples ... 'ndz' ... are forbidden." (p. 37)? This refers to "Lojban words" - so also to cmene?! In this case, the colon inserted would not help, but the period /kun.dz./ might save us. Yet, are there still more problems? p. 36 tells that "3) It is forbidden for both consonants to be drawn from the set 'c', 'j', 's', and (!) 'z'." What does *that* mean?! (Is the stress layed on *both*???) >> Yes to the last: you can't have cs, sc, jz, zj It appears that the no ndz rule applies even to names, so juandz is out. The reasoning, I think, was that it was too hard to distinguish from simple nz for many speakers (hard to taime the nasalization to quick before the stop is released). And Lojban does not recognize the sibilants as syllabic, so juan,dz won't work either -- and probably falls under the same ban anyhow. Drat!