From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Mon Aug 28 00:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30084 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 07:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Aug 2000 07:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 07:51:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.98] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2000 07:51:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:51:13 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: World-historical and religious figures in Lojban Message-ID: <8od5lh+p9hv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <39AA0F61.66DB@math.bas.bg> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 706 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, Ivan A Derzhanski wrote: > > How about kunfudzyz and juanzyz? > > There may be a case for those: the final syllable is a _z_ > (pinyin; that is, an (almost) unvoiced unaspirated sibilant > affricate) followed by something like a vocalic [z] (IPA). > What say you, Alfred? Your description "followed by something like a vocalic [z] (IPA)" is new to me, but it comes pretty close: I'd say, it's an unvoiced unaspirated sibilant affricate - not followed by an /y/ sound, but held (all the time) while *accompanied* by a somewhat /y/ sound. While pertained, the unvoiced affricate maybe slightly changes to a voiced one (but I'm not quite sure about this). .aulun.