From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Wed Aug 30 12:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7416 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 19:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Aug 2000 19:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 19:09:43 -0000 Received: from calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28561; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008301911.PAA28561@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Cc: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] World-historical and religious figures in Lojban In-Reply-To: Message from "Mark E. Shoulson" of "30 Aug 2000 15:50:40 -0000." <20000830155040.8513.qmail@pi.meson.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:11:50 -0400 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell "Mark E. Shoulson" writes: > >>Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science >>From: Ivan A Derzhanski >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:29:23 +0300 >> >>Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >>> >From: Ivan A Derzhanski >>> >Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >> but how would you Lojbanize names like Tlaxcala? >>> > >>> >Perhaps {tackalad.}, since Nahuatl _tl_ is from _t_ that became >>> >lateralised in certain positions? Or {.ytlackalad.}, applying >>> >the tried Arabic method of handling initial consonant clusters? >>> >>> *baps Ivan on the head with a rolled-up ju'i lobypli* >>> >>> Watch your {la} in cmene!! >> >>A JL is nothing; what I'm feeling like banging myself on the head with >>for rising to the bait in the first place would be nothing less than a >>rolled-up Woldemar Codex. I knew that there was yet another reason >>for my profound aversion to cmene; thanks for reminding me what it is. >> >>Make mine {la'o ny. Tlaxcala ny.}; I'll have nothing else. >>And while we're at it, may I seize this opportunity to appeal >>to the person who will launch the next logical language project >>(if he is reading this now, which is likely if history is any >>guide) to please try to avoid committing the egregious error >>of choosing a sound sequence that is very common across nearly >>all human languages (Japanese, Maori and Nootka being in a tight >>minority) for a tag that can't appear inside cmene? Surely if >>what is now {la} were, say, {jo'e}, the need to mutilate names >>so that they won't contain it would occur much less often. > >I've said it before: we should probably just do away with *all* the >restrictions in cmene (except maybe for the illegal medials) at the cost of >requiring a pause after la/lai/doi. I fully agree, but la'o works. >But it's too entrenched by now. Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is baselined. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Despite not getting very emotional about it, the fact that quantum entanglement doesn't allow transmission of information is probably the most profound dissapointment I've ever experienced. -- RLPowell