From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Aug 31 10:10:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19578 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2000 17:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Aug 2000 17:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Aug 2000 17:10:17 -0000 Received: from bob (dynamic195.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.195]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7VHAEJ80343 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:10:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000831123002.00adada0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:44:38 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] useful tools In-Reply-To: References: <95.120a4.26def531@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 08:01 PM 08/30/2000 -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 BestATN@aol.com wrote: > > i agree with pycyn's comment to elrond. i use windows almost exclusively, > > with my sole remaining forays into dos being for logflash and > zork. i'd like > > to see something for lojban like the pojwI' program for klingon. it gives > > glosses in the same order as the original text, making it much easier > to read > > and study. yes, it is more of a crutch, but at least i still use it, > which > > is more than i can say for the glosser program, good as it is. > > steven lytle > >The last and only time I tried a Lojban glosser program, instead of >getting a crude English sentence I got a bizarre graph that looked like a >perl script, with ascii lines and braces all over the thing. I was so >horrified that I have never tried any more ever since. That sounds like the old version of Nora's parser/glosser, which took Cowan's "official" parser's parenthesized output (the parentheses are produced by the parser and show the levels of nesting for grammar structures; braces and brackets are alternated with parentheses) and lines the English up with the Lojban words in that parenthesized output. It of course MUST be used with a fixed font or nothing will line up, but since it is a DOS program, fixed font should be the norm. The new version, which should be the one on lojban.org, does not leave the parentheses in, and the only symbols are braces around the case tags that label the place structures. You might want to take a look if you can stand a sickly DOS program. What I don't know is how this compares with jbofi'e. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org