From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Thu Aug 31 22:36:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12265 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2000 05:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Sep 2000 05:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scrabble.freeuk.net) (212.126.144.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Sep 2000 05:36:51 -0000 Received: from du-008-0137.freeuk.com ([212.126.151.137] helo=rrbcurnow.freeuk.com ident=root) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13UjVP-0005dJ-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:36:48 +0100 Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 13UjOD-00001z-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:29:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:29:21 +0100 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: jbofi'e examples [was Re: [lojban] useful tools] Message-ID: <20000901062921.A96@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Reply-To: Richard Curnow Mail-Followup-To: lojban@egroups.com References: <95.120a4.26def531@aol.com> <4.2.2.20000831123002.00adada0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i-nntp In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000831123002.00adada0@127.0.0.1>; from lojbab@lojban.org on Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 12:44:38PM -0400 From: Richard Curnow On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 12:44:38PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > > That sounds like the old version of Nora's parser/glosser, which took > Cowan's "official" parser's parenthesized output (the parentheses are > produced by the parser and show the levels of nesting for grammar > structures; braces and brackets are alternated with parentheses) and lines > the English up with the Lojban words in that parenthesized output. It of > course MUST be used with a fixed font or nothing will line up, but since it > is a DOS program, fixed font should be the norm. > > The new version, which should be the one on lojban.org, does not leave the > parentheses in, and the only symbols are braces around the case tags that > label the place structures. You might want to take a look if you can stand > a sickly DOS program. > > What I don't know is how this compares with jbofi'e. > In rough terms : - jbofi'e was developed under Unix and is very unlikely to be portable to DOS (memory size issues). - the parser and glosser functions are all integrated into the one tool. - the parser was build using the bnf.300 file as a reference - I set out to avoid using John Cowan's yacc grammar entirely. I thought this would ultimately provide a route for validating the equivalence of the bnf grammar and the yacc grammar, by checking whether the same texts parse or fail to parse on the two tools. - some of the output formats are similar (though not identical to) those produced by the 'official' software. Here are a few example outputs : Input text (my attempt at translating the maxim 'there's a time and a place for everything'): mapti jai ca je vi me ro da jbofihe on its own gives (0[mapti {jai }])0 Which is fairly similar to the original parser format (parentheses are numbered so you can match things in very deeply nested constructions.) jbofihe -x gives a gloss as well : [<<^mapti /compatible/ /[type-of]/ jai /being the/ ca /time of/ je /and/ vi /location of/ me /amongst those that are/ ^ro /every/ /(of)/ da /X/^^>>] and finally jbofihe -x -b puts the gloss in 'block' mode. [ << | mapti jai ca je vi [ << | compatible [type-of] being the time of and location of [ << \ 1 2 3 me / ro da \ | >> ] amongst those that are | every (of) X | | >> ] | | / >> ] 4 4 3 2 1 In the -x cases, the differently shaped brackets are used to envelop particular constructions (e.g. sumti, sentence etc). I've just noticed that last example doesn't show the case tagging feature, so here's one that does le zarci cu se klama mi la london. [ ( le zarci ) cu << se klama [ ( the trading place(s) ) is/does << being destination(s) [ ( klama2 (destination(s)) ) << 1 2 2 3 >> ( mi ) ( la london. ) ] >> ( I, me ) ( [NAME] ) ] >> ( klama1 (go-er(s)) ) ( klama3 (origin(s)) ) ] 3 4 4 5 5 1 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare United Kingdom http://go.to/richard.curnow/