From iad@MATH.BAS.BG Fri Sep 01 21:54:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19842 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2000 04:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Sep 2000 04:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lnd.internet-bg.net) (212.124.64.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Sep 2000 04:53:59 -0000 Received: from math.bas.bg (ppp12.internet-bg.net [212.124.66.12]) by lnd.internet-bg.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA29139 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:48 +0300 Message-ID: <39B088A4.8114153E@math.bas.bg> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 07:57:08 +0300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: learning lojban [2] References: <20000901212626.11667.qmail@pi.meson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski "Mark E. Shoulson" wrote: > >From: John Leuner > >> ps the way you signed your name ('djon') rhymes > >> with the english word 'drone'... (It does not if _drone_ is pronounced [droUn].) > >Well I intend it to be a short 'o', as in (British) "on" > >as opposed to "phone". > > Fair enough, both are allophones of the Lojban /o/, but that cuts > both ways: it is valid to pronounce the Lojban name {djon.} like > the (British) English "John" *or* like the English "Joan": No, it isn't. Woldemar Codex p.44: `The nearest GA equivalent [of [o]] is the "o" of "dough" or "joke", but it is essential that the off-glide (a [w]-like sound) at the end of the vowel is not pronounced when speaking Lojban. The RP sound in these words is [@w] in IPA terms [...]'. Next para: `In RP, but not GA, [O] is the "o" of "hot".' Looks plain enough to me: Lojban {djon.} may be a usable lojbanisation of English _Joan_ [dZoUn] is nothing better can be found, but it is not valid to pronounce {djon.} as [dZoUn], only as [dZon] or [dZOn]. > you can't specify which pronunciation you want; > the language doesn't make the distinction fine enough. It still amazes my Slavic mind that the distinction between a monophthong and a falling diphthong should count as fine. --Ivan