From alkaline@bigfoot.com Sun Sep 03 23:56:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12506 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2000 06:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Sep 2000 06:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2000 06:56:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: alkaline@bigfoot.com Received: from [10.1.2.225] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2000 06:56:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 06:56:13 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: learning lojban [2] Message-ID: <8ovh2d+sf0i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2805 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.35.17.26 From: "Garrett Jones" > I started with logflash on the 25 of July, so I've been using it just over > a month. I found I constantly had to juggle between getting through the > whole set of words (becoming familiar with the whole set) and learning > each word thoroughly. > > I'm at the stage now where I've opted to get a broader knowledge of the > set of gismu as opposed to 0 errors. > > Right now I'm able to do recognition testing on about 600 words a day, > getting about 70% on groups of 50. This is much more pleasant than the 100 > or so I was able to learn per day in the beginning. > > The next challenge is to start doing a few hundred words per day in > recollection mode. Is that learning 600 new words a day or recognizing the words you already knew? And does Logflash go both ways (lojban -> english and english -> lojban)? I can't try it out right now because the only computer i have access to is my work computer here. And is it just gismu you're learning or is it also lujvo? > > That text book is pretty long though, isn't it? it would take quite a > > bit of paper to print that sucker out... > > I'm busy looking at the blinking orange "out of paper" light on my > printer. I'll have to get another ream. > > I printed out the reference grammar, it's well worth it (unless you can > afford to buy it). I carry the chapters around with me for some quick > studying when I get free time. I could print it out on the company printer here... *glances over his right shoulder* > > I'm reading through chapter 9 of the > > reference grammar right now. I think i've prolly forgotten already a > > lot of what i read, so i will have to go over it all twice or look > > over my notes (i right down all the stuff i think is important so i > > don't have to depend on the webpage for reference). > > Yes I'm sure I will be reading those grammar chapters again, but it's nice > to get an overall feel for what's going on. At least when you see a > sentence you can say "Oh that's a tense marker", even if you don't know > exactly what it is. > > As for an order of reading the reference grammar, > well, it's > a > reference, so it's not ordered for learning i don't think... but as > > far as i can tell the more basic concepts are at the beginning, so > > sequential order would prolly work as well or better than any other... > > Yes, but I think there may be some stuff that should probably be skipped > on a first run through. Yeah i skipped chapters 3 and 4 (about sounds and morphology) because they weren't essential to understanding lojban. I'm going to check them out later. > > ps the way you signed your name ('djon') rhymes with the english word > > 'drone'... > > Well I intend it to be a short 'o', as in (British) "on" as opposed to > "phone". > > John co'o mi'e la jildicnen