From jewel@pixie.co.za Mon Sep 04 15:47:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21096 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2000 22:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Sep 2000 22:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za) (196.2.48.239) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2000 22:47:39 -0000 Received: from pta-dial-196-31-187-245.mweb.co.za by cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G0D00I9BWNAOI@cpt-mailhost2.mweb.co.za> for lojban@egroups.com; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:47:36 +0200 (GMT-2) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 22:54:54 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: learning lojban [2] In-reply-to: <39B088A4.8114153E@math.bas.bg> X-Sender: jewel@svetlana.mweb.co.za To: Ivan A Derzhanski Cc: lojban@egroups.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: John Leuner > "Mark E. Shoulson" wrote: > > >From: John Leuner > > >> ps the way you signed your name ('djon') rhymes > > >> with the english word 'drone'... > > (It does not if _drone_ is pronounced [droUn].) > > > >Well I intend it to be a short 'o', as in (British) "on" > > >as opposed to "phone". > > > > Fair enough, both are allophones of the Lojban /o/, but that cuts > > both ways: it is valid to pronounce the Lojban name {djon.} like > > the (British) English "John" *or* like the English "Joan": > > No, it isn't. Woldemar Codex p.44: `The nearest GA equivalent > [of [o]] is the "o" of "dough" or "joke", but it is essential > that the off-glide (a [w]-like sound) at the end of the vowel > is not pronounced when speaking Lojban. The RP sound in these > words is [@w] in IPA terms [...]'. Next para: `In RP, but not > GA, [O] is the "o" of "hot".' > > Looks plain enough to me: Lojban {djon.} may be a usable > lojbanisation of English _Joan_ [dZoUn] is nothing better > can be found, but it is not valid to pronounce {djon.} as > [dZoUn], only as [dZon] or [dZOn]. > If I understand this, you're saying that la djon. is what I want? John Leuner