From lojban@audry2.com Wed Sep 13 00:03:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15715 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 07:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Sep 2000 07:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO celtic.iinet.net.au) (203.59.24.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Sep 2000 07:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 2256 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 07:03:23 -0000 Received: from reggae-04-240.nv.iinet.net.au (HELO fremantle.perth.ilink) (203.59.71.240) by popclient-02.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 13 Sep 2000 07:03:23 -0000 Received: (from major@localhost) by fremantle.perth.ilink (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08140; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:00:20 +0700 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:00:20 +0700 Message-Id: <200009130800.PAA08140@fremantle.perth.ilink> X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 20.5. -*- mail -*- To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Eating glass, events, and rape From: lojban@audry2.com John Cowan writes: > How about "narcrugle" from "na curmi gletu", with place structure > "x1 does not permit that x1 copulates with x2"? That covers things that > don't directly involve force as such. That would also be the first known > example of a lujvo with "nar", representing a bridi negation. Isn't that "X1 refuses to have success (quite possibly successfully)" as opposed to "X1 is raped"? "narcrugle" does not contain the fact that the sex happens despite the refusal. Major