From mark@kli.org Fri Sep 15 12:03:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9947 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2000 19:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Sep 2000 19:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pi.meson.org) (209.191.39.185) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2000 19:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 30966 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Sep 2000 19:03:03 -0000 Date: 15 Sep 2000 19:03:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000915190303.30965.qmail@pi.meson.org> To: lojban@egroups.com In-reply-to: <67.9a2a62b.26f3c402@aol.com> (pycyn@aol.com) Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:rape, etc. References: <67.9a2a62b.26f3c402@aol.com> From: "Mark E. Shoulson" >From: pycyn@aol.com >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:27:14 EDT > > >In a message dated 00-09-15 12:48:19 EDT, ken writes: > ><< As a non-professional philosopher, I could point out that, if you spread > your legs, you are giving permission, and I would also say that > applies whether or not someone is holding a gun to your head. >> >Thanks. I'm not sure that I would go that far down the line about where >permission occurs, but it does help to make the point about the difference >between permission and consent that I was looking for. So the etymology has >a role here, pointing to the notion of willing agreement with the intention >of the act, which is lacking in the forced cases. So what does Lojban have >to offer here? Note: {tugni} is no help. This was exactly the journey I went through before asking the question here. I realized {tugni} was NOT what we wanted. ~mark