From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Sep 15 12:16:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13533 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2000 19:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Sep 2000 19:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO erika.sixgirls.org) (207.12.88.107) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2000 19:12:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by erika.sixgirls.org (8.11.0+3.3W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8FJCuo29066 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:12:56 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: RE:rape, etc. In-Reply-To: <8ptr13+1n92@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Invent Yourself On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, [iso-8859-1] Alfred W. Tueting (T=FCting) wrote: > I now see that there can't be kind of legal definition - we have to > be fuzzy and just call it "criminal copulation" /zekri gletu/=20 > (zergletu) and leave it to the user what he/she (i.e. his/her state's > law) defines as criminal sexual intercourse. Where sex is illegal, all sex is criminal; is all sex then rape? In some states of the US, certain common sexual acts between married consenting adults are nonetheless illegal, but nobody considers them rape, not even the law there. The general idea is that rape is nonconsensual. The aspect which may be uniquely American is the notion that since a child cannot give consent, any sex with them is rape. (And no, I don't want responses pointing out similarities in non-US law; we are far enough off-topic.) So I tend to think that "nonconsenual sexual activity" approximates "rape" the best. Note that I am not necessarily using gletu as a requirement, opening up a new can of worms: How much ka gletu is needed for it to cross between "violation" or "abuse" into "rape"? (Certain crackpot feminist theorists would argue the consent aspect, claiming that women are like children, and cannot ever give their true consent!) ----- It worked yesterday it doesn't work today Windows is like that=20