From graywyvern@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 12:48:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20930 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2000 19:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Sep 2000 19:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2000 19:48:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: graywyvern@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2000 19:48:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:48:05 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: RE:rape, etc. Message-ID: <8ptudl+n8pu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20000915190009.30953.qmail@pi.meson.org> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 835 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.176.48.22 From: "michael helsem" --- In lojban@egroups.com, "Mark E. Shoulson" wrote: li'o > Truth be told, I was much more concerned with "non-consensual" in general TUGNI agree TOLTUGNI disagree CURMI let TOLCURMI refuse SIMXU mutual TOLSIMXU unmutual (unilateral?) DJICA desire TOLDJICA abhor SELBAPLI coerced TOLZIFRE unfree TUGYSIMCAU seems most like "non-consensual" to me... (Lojban is sparing in "volition"-type gismu, perhaps because these are less observed phenomena than assumptions left over from decayed metaphysics--; that there once was a Latin word "volo".) (("Rape" is a bad example because muddled by sexist thinking-- VLILE SEBAI LENU GLETU suffices.-- & by pretend-violence (non- consensuality is an essential part of violence & doesn't need to be added separately): KRATI or KELCI or SIMLU for the SELTAU.))