From iad@MATH.BAS.BG Sat Sep 30 23:40:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: iad@math.bas.bg X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 1 Oct 2000 06:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12694 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 06:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Oct 2000 06:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lnd.internet-bg.net) (212.124.64.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 06:40:42 -0000 Received: from math.bas.bg (ppp103.internet-bg.net [212.124.66.103]) by lnd.internet-bg.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA13219 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:01:53 +0300 Message-ID: <39D6D38D.11DF4D80@math.bas.bg> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:02:53 +0300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] symmetrie of tenses References: <4.2.2.20000929211350.00af48b0@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" wrote: > At 08:57 PM 09/29/2000 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > >[...] the inchoative need not be followed by the event abuilding, > >while the perfective must be preceded by the event fading out. > >Something could prevent even the most verged on impending ... > >event, prevent it from happening at even the last moment. But > >only an event that happens has a perfective aspect. > > Is this necessarily true? > > There would be be a nuclear winter in the aftermath of WW III, > sounds like it would be expressed with a perfective, but luckily > it is not an event which has actually happened. Pycyn's point was that while an event need not happen in order to have an actual prelude, only an event that happens can have an actual aftermath (in your example the nuclear winter is counterfactual, as is WW III). So in this world. Ask the White Queen about Looking-Glass-land. --Ivan