From iad@MATH.BAS.BG Sat Sep 30 23:40:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: iad@math.bas.bg X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 1 Oct 2000 06:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 20388 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 06:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Oct 2000 06:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lnd.internet-bg.net) (212.124.64.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 06:40:47 -0000 Received: from math.bas.bg (ppp103.internet-bg.net [212.124.66.103]) by lnd.internet-bg.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA13223 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:01:58 +0300 Message-ID: <39D6DC34.C7156DEC@math.bas.bg> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:39:48 +0300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Onomatopoeia? References: <20000930205109.A16402@twcny.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ivan A Derzhanski Rob Speer wrote: > le bakni cu cusku zo mu > (The cow says "Five") Careful with {cusku}. It means `express', and we don't really know what it is that the cow expresses. > But if the sound doesn't sound like a Lojban word or if it needs > to be used as a different part of speech than a quote, it seems > that it wouldn't work. Here are some things that I don't think > could be expressed the same way in Lojban - correct me if I'm wrong: > > The fireworks went off with a bang. > He slammed the door. > The bow twanged when the archer shot the arrow. Things like _bang_, _slam_, _twang_ are words (nouns and verbs) of English first and conventional (!) approximations of natural sounds afterwards. Or do you perhaps mean nonce onomatopoeia? > The angry dog said 'Grrr'. > > The last one is interesting because everything works except > actually quoting 'Grrr'. In Lojban, you can quote [...] text > from another language and its corresponding sound (zoi). [...] > But what language are miscellaneous sounds? Does it matter? I think {zoi} should work for them also. --Ivan