Subject: Re: [lojban] More questions on space (time) - was: Get Much Ca$h !

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:15:30 GMT

la aulun cusku di'e

>.i pamoi za'o ku mi pu fanva zoi ky. Wo nichts ist, hat der Kaiser
>sein Recht verloren ky. fi le dotco bangu la lojban. lu le selzvati
>be
>noda cu jai vi cirko le catni fai lo'e nolrainoltru li'u i. pe'u roko
>ji'isku ma
>(For unknown reason the text wouldn't parse! What's wrong?)

{pamoi} is a selbri, and so is {pu fanva}. You can't have
two separate selbri for the same bridi. You can use
{pamai} instead of {pamoi} there.

>One more question on {jai}:
>
>1) le mlatu ca pavbu loi ratcu vi le foldi
>2) le foldi cu jai vi ca pavbu loi ratcu fai le mlatu
>3) le jai vi be ca pavbu loi ratcu (fai le mlatu) cu foldi

That one should be:

le jai vi ca kavbu be loi ratcu (bei fai le mlatu) cu foldi

>4) le jai vi be *le mlatu* ca pavbu loi ratcu cu foldi (???)
>
>Is 4) correct?

I don't think so. {jai vi} works more or less like {se},
it can't be followed by {be} or by a sumti.

>I doubt whether it's 2nd place can contain {le mlatu}
>in this order. Why then at all use the place conversion tag
>{jai}?

{jai vi kavbu} is a selbri with the same places of
{kavbu}, except that the first place is replaced by a
location and the usual x1 place is now in the fai-place.

>Still another question:
>
>1) mi pu penmi do soi vo'a zi le critu (noi jai zu vu selpanci fai
>loi rozgu)
>2) mi'o pu penmi ... (each other?)

mi'o pu simxu le ka penmi

co'o mi'e xorxes

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