From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Oct 01 13:15:32 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 1 Oct 2000 20:15:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 28187 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2000 20:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Oct 2000 20:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.125) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Oct 2000 20:15:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:15:31 -0700 Received: from 200.42.152.218 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:15:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.152.218] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] More questions on space (time) - was: Get Much Ca$h ! Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:15:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2000 20:15:31.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[59673DD0:01C02BE4] From: "Jorge Llambias" la aulun cusku di'e >.i pamoi za'o ku mi pu fanva zoi ky. Wo nichts ist, hat der Kaiser >sein Recht verloren ky. fi le dotco bangu la lojban. lu le selzvati >be >noda cu jai vi cirko le catni fai lo'e nolrainoltru li'u i. pe'u roko >ji'isku ma >(For unknown reason the text wouldn't parse! What's wrong?) {pamoi} is a selbri, and so is {pu fanva}. You can't have two separate selbri for the same bridi. You can use {pamai} instead of {pamoi} there. >One more question on {jai}: > >1) le mlatu ca pavbu loi ratcu vi le foldi >2) le foldi cu jai vi ca pavbu loi ratcu fai le mlatu >3) le jai vi be ca pavbu loi ratcu (fai le mlatu) cu foldi That one should be: le jai vi ca kavbu be loi ratcu (bei fai le mlatu) cu foldi >4) le jai vi be *le mlatu* ca pavbu loi ratcu cu foldi (???) > >Is 4) correct? I don't think so. {jai vi} works more or less like {se}, it can't be followed by {be} or by a sumti. >I doubt whether it's 2nd place can contain {le mlatu} >in this order. Why then at all use the place conversion tag >{jai}? {jai vi kavbu} is a selbri with the same places of {kavbu}, except that the first place is replaced by a location and the usual x1 place is now in the fai-place. >Still another question: > >1) mi pu penmi do soi vo'a zi le critu (noi jai zu vu selpanci fai >loi rozgu) >2) mi'o pu penmi ... (each other?) mi'o pu simxu le ka penmi co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.