From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Oct 04 19:27:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 5 Oct 2000 02:27:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 31313 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2000 02:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Oct 2000 02:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.176) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2000 02:27:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:27:11 -0700 Received: from 200.42.118.112 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:27:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.118.112] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The scale of ji'a Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:27:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2000 02:27:11.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3F9D220:01C02E73] From: "Jorge Llambias" > >You can't use {da'a} to say "all but the cat". > >da'alepa poi broda ku'o mlatu I think for that to be grammatical the relative clause must come before the inner quantifier: {le poi broda ku'o pa mlatu}, but I'm not sure what you mean by {poi broda} anyway. {da'a le mlatu} is "all but one of the cats", {da'a le pa mlatu} is "all but one of the one cat", so it can only be "not the cat", but there is no hint of anything non-cat there. The "all" in {da'a} refers to the inner quantifier number, not to a more inclusive "all". Maybe something like {le da'amei pe le mlatu} could work. "The all-but-one-some associated with the cat", and we have to understand that the relation is that the cat is the one excluded. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.