From daishin@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp Thu Oct 05 19:59:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: daishin@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 6 Oct 2000 02:59:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 22269 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2000 02:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Oct 2000 02:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2000 02:59:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: daishin@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp Received: from [10.1.10.134] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2000 02:59:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:59:07 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Why place structure? Message-ID: <8rjf5r+ke91@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 130.153.143.46 From: daishin@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp Hello(coi), I read some WWW-pages about Lojban, and I am interested in. But I felt that the "place-structure" is quite difficult to memory and use. For example, there is a sentence mi jbena de'i li pamupi'ebi --- (A) (I was born in 15/8) in "A Lojban Beginners' Course" (Robin Turner) http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin/lesson5.html But according to the gismu list, the place structure of "jbena" is: x1 is born to x2 at time x3 [birthday] and place x4 [birthplace] So I think that one can say: mi jbena zo'e li pamupi'ebi --- (B) My questions are: (1) Which is better, (A) or (B) ? (2) Do we have to memory the place structure of "jbena" and all the other gismu ? (3) What is the advantage of the "place-structure," which is not so often appear in other natural/artificial languages? Thank you for your attention. Nakamura Daishin