From pycyn@aol.com Sun Oct 08 13:15:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 8 Oct 2000 20:15:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 15262 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Oct 2000 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Oct 2000 20:15:18 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.26.) id a.9d.bae894f (4532) for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d.bae894f.27122fca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:15:06 EDT Subject: RE: lojban names To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com n a message dated 00-10-06 15:59:28 EDT, deven writes: << "la terpen" is two words -- is the "la" optional? Could it as validly be "terpen" for "meet" instead of "la terpen" for "the meet"? I'd still be interested in an action verb, if that would work... >> Lojban lesson 2 (right after pronunciation) {terpen} is a name (it ends in a consonant); the {la} is required when the name is used as an argument in a sentence, but can be omitted in vocative and other not sentential uses. The name is internally derived from the predicate {te penmi} = "x is the location where y meets z", which is, in turn, derived by {te}, which exchanges the first and third places of a predicate, from {penmi} "z meets y at x". So you can use just Penmi as a (non-Lojban) name/address or what not, if you want; it is an active verb, I suppose. Another possibility would be {nurpen}, a name, or {nurpe'i} (probably {nurpehi} to make the internet happy), a predicate, for the event of meeting.