From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Thu Oct 12 08:56:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 12 Oct 2000 15:56:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 6486 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2000 15:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Oct 2000 15:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Oct 2000 15:54:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.4.67] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2000 15:54:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:54:42 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: krefu etc. Message-ID: <8s4ms2+u9t1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1417 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, "Jorge Llambias" wrote: >=20 > There is a recurrence, namely of (part of) the name of the day, > the date. I think {detke'u} (detri krefu) is better than > anything involving {djedi}. The place structure would be: >=20 > detke'u: k1 (k2=3Dd1) k3 d2 [d3] d4 > x1 is the x2'nd anniversary (date recurrence) of > event x3 [at location x4] by calendar x5. German language, although comparably poor in switching nouns to verbs (without alteration - like in English), has a nice verbal=20 expression for "anniversary": it's "sich j=E4hren" (Jahr=3Dyear) of verb type AP/F-s. (The fictive English verb "to year" would be of=20 type P/F-s). So, the sentence: "Sein Todestag j=E4hrt sich heuer zum drittenmal" (This year, his day of death is *yearing* for the=20 third time) is a lot more elegant German than the equivalent of "this is the 3rd anniversary of ...". (BTW, it would be pretty=20 unusual to say this German phrase referring to a "birthday", though.) In lojban, the semantics of {nanca} is fixed, so is the gismu's functionality. There is no help playing around (i.e. switching place=20 structures) with it. So there is need of a tanru or lujvo. Why not {nancake'u} (nanca+krefu)? What would be "the *annual* recurrence" (of what have you, in a cyclic dimension)? x1 (event) is nancake'u ("yearing"=3Dannually recurring) for the x2-th time (number) ... .aulun.=20