From graywyvern@hotmail.com Wed Oct 18 16:07:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 18 Oct 2000 23:07:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 17796 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2000 23:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Oct 2000 23:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2000 23:07:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: graywyvern@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2000 23:07:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:07:16 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: looking at arjlujv.txt Message-ID: <8slaf4+8poi@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <13.c36b58c.271f3d71@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.176.48.61 From: "michael helsem" --- In lojban@egroups.com, pycyn@a... wrote: > It looks like rampant literalism is loose again (much as I hate to accuse > maikl of this). li'o se srana zoigy. "In general, however, the meaning of a tanru is determined by the literal meaning of its components, and not by any connotations or figurative meanings." (2.9)gy. >These puppies used to be >called > metaphors for a good reason. zi'o krinu .i glijbo (Seriously, there is NO way to assess the truth-value of a statement if any unmarked gismu can be either literal or figurative. (If there were no other Sapir-Whorf effect than that Lojban forced us to become aware of this demarcation, that would still be plenty.) Even more is this necessary in devising lujvo than in tanru...)