From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Oct 20 10:14:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 20 Oct 2000 17:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 19316 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 17:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Oct 2000 17:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 17:14:29 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic248.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.248]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9KHPu737311 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001020130959.00b4c610@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:18:29 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:literalism In-Reply-To: <17.c8683c2.2721d013@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 12:42 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, pycyn wrote: >Actually, "chicken of the sea" is pretty good (aside from its current >commercial use) and surely better for a wide array of purposes than {finpe} >followed by some version of the scientific name of tuna. What about it is >painting a picture -- as opposed to pointing to features, say -- is not clear >(which is context, which is within the context, for example?). Now would be >a good time to be a literalist, perhaps. Painting a picture invokes artistic connotations rather than denotations. In Lojban terms, it is pulling place structure places out of thin air. Sea-chicken might almost work for "tuna" because the picture-painting stayed within the animal kingdom and the normal place structures of the animal brivla - it merely invokes a classification system for animals that isn't quite scientific %^) A sky-scraper on the other hand does not in fact guska anything, and people seem to feel that in particular the final term of the tanru used in lujvo making out to apply literally. A metaphor at least as good would be "penis-building" - at least we know it's a building of some kind. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org