From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Oct 20 11:14:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 20 Oct 2000 18:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25641 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Oct 2000 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO erika.sixgirls.org) (209.208.150.50) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 18:14:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by erika.sixgirls.org (8.11.0+3.3W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9KIEML09967 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:14:22 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:literalism In-Reply-To: <5d.229ac34.2721de97@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > Thanks also for reminding us all again that tanru and lujvo are not > separate things so that we can shift the problem off of one onto the > other, but are rather different ways of presenting the same linguistic > features. The, "oh, lujvo are so...., but we can avoid that by > sticking with tanru" won't work. If we're stuck with it in lujvo, we > are in tanru,too, but if we can avoid it in tanru, we can in lujvo, too. There are an infinite number of tanru, but lujvo are limited by "reasonable" size. Also, information is lost in the tanru --> lujvo process (lujvoization? lujvoizing?) because 1. we drop cmavo, 2. we select one of many possible meanings. So I must disagree that tanru and lujvo face the same issues. > Finally, it does not have to be the edge that moves in a scraping, since I > can scrape my knee on a stone, etc. So, the sky moves (as it does, visibly) > over the building. But I like "skyhead building" anyhow. "sky scrape building" seems a lot better to me than "sky head building". ----- "...widespread, systematic and gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the Israeli occupying power, in particular mass killings...measures which constitute...crimes against humanity.'' UN Commission on Human Rights, 19 Oct 2000