From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Oct 20 13:21:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 20 Oct 2000 20:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24040 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 20:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Oct 2000 20:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2000 20:21:45 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic248.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.248]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9KKLiG93879 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:21:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001020161644.00b6e100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:25:47 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:literalism In-Reply-To: <33.b9c5663.2721eb08@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:38 PM 10/20/2000 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: >lojbab: ><seem to feel that in particular the final term of the tanru used in lujvo >making out to apply literally. A metaphor at least as good would be >"penis-building" - at least we know it's a building of some kind.>> >Actually, skyscrapers scrape the sky -- they just don't leave marks (see also >airplanes). Okay, they literally scrape the wind, but that is less >appealing. And is a wind-scraper something that scrapes the wind, or something that uses the wind to scrape (i.e. wind erosion) >Sorry, but "penis building" doesn't work -- except in very >delusive male imaginations -- for things above say 30 stories. I was referring to the general erectile phallic shape - you know, non-literal metaphor and all that. I also once heard a feminist writing that said that tall buildings were phallic so it came to mind when I was try to think of a metaphoric way to describe just what kind of building a very tall one is other than "very tall". Maybe I should have said penis-shape-building, but that is moving towards literalism. > is as >important as literality. And what is special about the last place? Its a >good rule for fu'ivla, where we haven't a clue, but why here where we have? I'm not sure, but it seems to be far more important to the literalists than any others, possibly because the source metaphor would have its place structure determined by the final term, so that if one tries to figure out what a word means from context, you can understand the sentence more or less even if you don't exactly know what the word means. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org