From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sat Oct 21 02:58:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 21 Oct 2000 09:58:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 78177 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2000 09:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Oct 2000 09:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Oct 2000 09:58:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.127] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2000 09:58:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:58:40 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: RE:literalism Message-ID: <8srpcg+ugto@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <17.c8683c2.2721d013@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, pycyn@a... wrote: > aside from confirming that "sky scraper" and its calques are the international word for the building type (aulun, what is the Chinese?), the whole "mal-" line is borrowed from Esperanto (somewhat inaccurately -- Esperanto "mal-" is closer to Lojban "tol," but the most common form "malbona" seems to ahve set the pattern).=20 The American expression seems having been pretty convincing to the world because its (first) referents obviously=20 standing in that part of the globe called New York. "grattacielo" (sky scraper) "Wolkenkratzer" (cloud scraper) "sgirie-nori" (cloud scraper) "felhokaparo'/felhokarcolo'" (cloud scraper) "mo2tian1 lou2" or "mo2tian1 da4 lou2" or "mo2tian1 da4 xia4 (BIG5 =BC=AF=A4=D1=BC=D3 or =BC=AF=A4=D1=A4j=BC=D3 or =BC=AF=A4=D1=A4j=B7H) (rub-= sky=20 storey-house/tower or rub-sky big storey-house/tower or rub-sky big big-building) Would "sky-belly-tickler" better? ;-) .aulun.