From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Oct 24 12:51:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 24 Oct 2000 19:51:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 59338 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 19:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Oct 2000 19:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO erika.sixgirls.org) (209.208.150.50) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2000 19:22:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by erika.sixgirls.org (8.11.0+3.3W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9OJM4h12569; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:22:03 -0400 (EDT) To: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" Cc: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE^n+1: literalism In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001024092402.00b4bb80@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > I don't think it will, IF it is "required" per your above. But given two > tanru for a concept, one literal and the other non-literal, I think the > literal will win every time. Do we have a test for determining which category a tanru falls into? > >< >misleads. But a robber-mammal would work, and it presumably would have an > >acceptable place structure using conventional analysis (as would a cat > >metaphor, I will note - all the animal gismu have approximately the same > >place structures). Now I ask - are you claiming that robber-mammal is the > >same concept as "mammal" simply because it has the same final term? Or is > >it the same as "robber"? The argument is NOT that you cannot be > >metaphorical, but rather that the metaphors should preserve the place > >structure logic. >> > > > >^robber mammal^ is not the same as ^mammal^ or ^robber^, but it > >is already implicit in ^mammal^ > > What is? He appears to be claiming that if a tanru ends in a gismu, that tanru is implicit in that gismu. Therefore the only way to arrive at a "new" concept is to create a tanru without a final gismu! ----- "...widespread, systematic and gross violations of human rights perpetrated by the Israeli occupying power, in particular mass killings...measures which constitute...crimes against humanity.'' UN Commission on Human Rights, 19 Oct 2000