From graywyvern@hotmail.com Wed Oct 25 15:35:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_2_0); 25 Oct 2000 22:35:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23824 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 22:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Oct 2000 22:33:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.68) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 22:33:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:33:38 -0700 Received: from 209.176.48.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:33:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.58] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: literalism Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:33:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 22:33:38.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E84D1A0:01C03ED3] From: "michael helsem" >From: pycyn@aol.com li'o >But >why exactly is being English like so bad, more relevant even than >just being bad elsewise? only that most of the ill-formed lujvo are so because of english models, & therefore it is more precise to describe them as such. li'o >(why just worry about non-europeans?). a lot of metaphors are common to european languages, is all. but if someone started coining lojban expressions based on chinese or japanese metaphors, for example (once i used "with tea" which is vaguely favorable in connotation) there would be the same problem (except they would be much more obviously "obscure"--). li'o >Assuming ^emergent order^ is a new concept, there used to be a belief in something called "spontaneous generation" but i wouldn't call it anything like as clear a concept... >The experience of learning to ride a bike is just an experience; what >does that have to do with concepts -- we are able to use "learning to ride a bicycle" in discourse as if it were a distinct concept (we can compare it with learning to use a computer, or with other benchmarks of child development) even though it is largely a nonverbal experience. li'o >I don't know enough about "wuy" (including which of the several >possible >ways to pronounce it) rhymes with "phooey" >to comment: is it a description or an expression of an attitude? description of an attitude. what i meant to include was a statement that the bumper sticker "question authority" is equivalent to "fight wuy". _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.