From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Oct 26 12:21:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_2_0); 26 Oct 2000 19:21:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 22288 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2000 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Oct 2000 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2000 19:14:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:14:43 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:14:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: literalism Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:14:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 19:14:43.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF5C59A0:01C03F80] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e > > i ma smuni lu melbi fatci li'u do > >beautiful truth; a truth I think is beautiful. i oi xruti le glico You don't explain how a beautiful truth is different from beautiful and true. >What I said resembled "It's been real, and it's been good, but it hasn't >been real good!" No, it doesn't. That's playing with two different senses of "real". "It's been real" means that it actually happened, "real good" means "extremely good" and has little to do with actuality. If you claim that the {melbi fatci} sentence is something like that, then you'd be saying that {melbi} has two different meanings, is that what you mean? What I supposed you may have wanted to say is that the sentence as written was a beautiful thing, a beautiful sentence, and also a true one, but that the meaning expressed was not to your liking, not beautiful. That's the difference between {di'u} and {la'e di'u}. The sentence and its meaning. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.