From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sun Oct 29 09:33:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_2_1); 29 Oct 2000 17:33:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 5739 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2000 17:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Oct 2000 17:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2000 17:33:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.2.27] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2000 17:33:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:33:24 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: weekday names Message-ID: <8thn14+crbv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <00102909550600.00894@neofelis> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3074 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >Unfortunately, that's not quite the case. Languages disagree on > >the day on which the numbering should start; Tuesday is Day 2 in > >the Slavic reckoning, but Day 3 in Greek and Day 4 in Swahili. >=20 > 4 in Swahili? News to me. What is the word? >=20 > As to the Slavic reckoning, they are in Russian: > voskresenye (resurrection) > ponedelnik (po-week-nik) > vtornik (second-nik) > sreda (middle) > chetverg (fourg) > pyatnitsa (five-nitsa) > subbota (Sabbath). > So although Tuesday is the second day, and Monday is the first (po as a v= =3D=0D erbal > prefix may indicate the beginning of an action), Wednesday is the middle,= =3D=0D so > Sunday must be the zeroeth. >=20 > The fundamental numbering for days of the week in jegvo religions is that= =3D=0D of > Hebrew, which is the same as Greek: > ri'shon first kuriak=E9 Lord's > sheni second deutera > shlishi third trit=E9 > rvi`i fourth tetart=E9 > chamishi fifth pempt=E9 > shishi sixth paraskeu=E9 preparation > shabbat Sabbath sabbato > All others should be regarded as apomorphies. >=20 > But not everyone who uses a seven-day week is jegvo. Hindus also have a > seven-day week; here are the names in Gujarati (again beginning Sunday, t= =3D=0D hough Many peoples I can think of have a seven-day week. At least the Bible-based= =3D=0D cultures seem to regard "sunday" as the last day of the=20 week (following the Biblical Genesis). As this "last" day is different to J= =3D=0D ews, Christians and Muslims, I'm wondering how this=20 influences the weekdays sequence respective. In German, sunday is regarded as the week's last day (hence weekend=3Dsatur= da=3D=0D y/sunday): Montag (moon-day) Dienstag (Tiu's/Ziu's day) Mittwoch (middle-week: it is not wednesday=3DWotan's day!) Donnerstag (Donar's/Thor's day) Freitag (Freya's day) Samstag/Sonnabend (Sabbath/"sunday's evening") Sonntag (sun-day). In Romanian it's the Latin heritage: luni (luna), mars (Mars),=20 miercuri (Mercur),=20 joi (Jupiter), vineri (Venere/Venus), simbata/sambata (Sabbath), duminica (domenica=3DLord's day) (the ending "i" are almost mute like in Japanese "i" and "u" - a time-suffi= =3D=0D x or a plural indicating the recurrence quality???) In (modern) Chinese: (Romanization of Mandarin) xingqi=3Dweek/"a stars period of time" written with the moon-radical!) xingqiyi ("week-one"/monday) xingqi'er ("week-two"/tuesday) etc. xingqiri (not "xingqitian": since "ri4" has the meaning of "day" as well as= =3D=0D that of "sun", I'm not sure, yet I tend to "week's day". Nevertheless we can state that the counting begins with monday!) Hungarian: (An old culture of eastern heritage, but christianized) h=E9t ("seven"=3Dweek) h=E9tf=F6 ("week-head", week's first, monday)!, kedd, (?) szerda, (?) cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k, (?) p=E9ntek (from Greek? the fifth???), szombat (Sabbath), vas=E1rnap ("nap"=3Dsun/day; "vas"=3Diron, "vas=E1r" no obvious meaning; it= 's diffe=3D=0D rent from"v=E1s=E1rnap", which is "market day"). I have no idea of the etymology underlying - maybe Ivan can help! But, agai= =3D=0D n: the counting begins with monday! .aulun.