From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Fri Nov 17 14:36:48 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_2_1); 17 Nov 2000 22:36:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 77629 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2000 22:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2000 22:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Nov 2000 22:36:47 -0000 Received: from calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19635 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:40:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200011172240.RAA19635@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: except the cat In-Reply-To: Message from "Jorge Llambias" of "Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:29:21 GMT." Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:40:39 -0500 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell "Jorge Llambias" writes: >Robin Lee Powell : > >> >3) What has {ku'anai} the power to express just by negating an >> >intersection? >> >>A friend asked that question said he would expect it to return all the >>points where the two sets are not equal, which is _exactly_ the desired >>result. IOW, a set XOR. > >I'm not sure what you mean by "all the points where the two >sets are not equal". Do you include points that are not in >either set? If you do, then that is not XOR. No, I don't. Remember, one of the sets is roda, i.e. _everything_. >>I think that it's a _WONDERFULLY_ elegant solution. > >I think more elegant might be for {ku'anai} to give the >full complement of the intersection, not just XOR. Since it's being XORd with the universe, the affect is the same, yes? >>Unfortunately, this is _NOT_ the interpretation of nai for non logical >>connectives specified by the book: >> >>The following ``nai'', if present, does not negate either of the things >>to be connected, but instead specifies that some other connection >>(logical or non-logical) is applicable: it is a scalar negation: > >That does not seem to preclude {ku'anai} from meaning either >XOR or the complement of the intersection. Both are suitable >"other connections". Except that the implication is one of textual _correction_, i.e. "No, you can't use ku'a there, that's incorrect". -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. Despite not getting very emotional about it, the fact that quantum entanglement doesn't allow transmission of information is probably the most profound dissapointment I've ever experienced. -- RLPowell