From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Nov 28 20:07:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_2); 29 Nov 2000 04:07:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 62219 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2000 04:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2000 04:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Nov 2000 04:07:21 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic90.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.90]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAT49qN88482 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:09:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lojbab@lojban.org) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001128230337.00c24f00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:09:59 -0500 To: Lojban List Subject: Re: [lojban] Two more type IV fu'ivla questions In-Reply-To: <20001128221146.A241@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 10:11 PM 11/28/2000 +0000, Richard Curnow wrote: >1. In the online version of the Ref. Grammar there is a statement > > It is possible to have fu'ivla like ``spa'i'' that are five letters > long, > >yet doesn't spa'i fail the slinku'i test, because (for example) baspa'i >would be a valid lujvo (I leave the meaning to the reader's imagination >:-) ) So is the first statement wrong? Nora agrees that it fails slinku'i. This is one reason why we have so strongly frowned on people lightly making up Type IV fu'ivla. We don't have ANYONE who can say without a doubt that a word will NOT fail slinku'i for an arbitrary word (we have some forms that seem pretty good, like the proposed fu'ivla gismu form) >2. Does Lojban make any use at all of CCV as a word on its own (e.g. > spa)? No. The shortest word ever proposed was "iglu", but I think we found a situation where that would fail as well (iglu zbasu -> .i gluzbasu too easily and I think there was another situation that was even worse in not relying on careful stress to resolve.) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org