From pycyn@aol.com Fri Dec 01 07:04:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_2); 1 Dec 2000 15:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 83172 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2000 15:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2000 15:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mail.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Dec 2000 15:03:44 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id a.b2.ddf0c96 (3857) for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:03:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:03:38 EST Subject: re: bonan tagon ktl To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b2.ddf0c96.275917ca_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_b2.ddf0c96.275917ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Cowan on ivan: <<> No, I think this one is much worse. The concepts `young' and `old' > are in fact scalar opposites. What scale are `curse' and `bless' on? Something like "x1 directs divine attention to x2, intended to have effect of degree N" where N varies from "highly positive effect"(blessing) to "highly negative effect" (curse).>> =20 Not quite what {dapma} means, but a plausible reinterpretation for purposes= =20 of using {tol-} << Unlike Gandalf (and unlike Pycyn, it seems), I fail to see > how `good morning' can be thought of as anything other than > a mere formality. When was the last time you decided not > to say `good morning' to someone because it was not really > a good morning (it was raining, say), or you thought a good > morning was not something you wanted to wish him? The last time I passed a personal enemy.>> =20 Well, pc admits that it can happen, but doubts that it does very often.=C2= =A0 He=20 tends to say polite things even to enemies, i.e., deans, directors,=20 chancelors and other academic vermin =20 <<> There is a perfectly good Lojban expressionto use in all those > situations in which English speakers say `good morning', namely > {coi}. What do you need another one for? Well, Bilbo's final use of "Good morning!", which is perfectly idiomatic BTW, means more like "co'o".>> =20 Touch=C3=A9 and so also for most of the similar verbal strokes(=E2=80=9CGoo= d luck=E2=80=9D is=20 rarely a greeting and is even more selective in use.) BTW "bonan tagon" is classic malglico malspero --part1_b2.ddf0c96.275917ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Cowan on ivan:
<<> No, I think this one is much worse. The concepts `young' a= nd `old'
> are in fact scalar opposites. What scale are `curse' and `bl= ess' on?

Something like "x1 directs divine attention to x2, intended to have
effect of degree N" where N varies from "highly positive effect"(blessi= ng)
to "highly negative effect" (curse).>>
=20
Not quite what {dapma} means, but a plausible reinterpretation for purp= oses
of using {tol-}

<< Unlike Gandalf (and unlike Pycyn, it seems), I fail to see
> how `good morning' can be thought of as anything other than
> a mere formality. When was the last time you decided not
> to say `good morning' to someone because it was not really
> a good morning (it was raining, say), or you thought a good
> morning was not something you wanted to wish him?

The last time I passed a personal enemy.>>
=20
Well, pc admits that it can happen, but doubts that it does very= often.=C2=A0 He
tends to say polite things even to enemies, i.e., dean= s, directors,
chancelors and other academic vermin
=20
<<> There is a perfectly good Lojban expressionto use in all t= hose
> situations in which English speakers say `good morning', namely
> {coi}. What do you need another one for?

Well, Bilbo's final use of "Good morning!", which is = perfectly
idiomatic BTW, means more like "co'o".>>
=20
Touch=C3=A9 and so also for most of the similar verbal strokes(=E2=80= =9CGood luck=E2=80=9D is
rarely a greeting and is even more selective i= n use.)

BTW "bonan tagon" is classic malglico malspero
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