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From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" <Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de>

--- In lojban@egroups.com, Pierre Abbat <phma@o...> wrote:

> The confusion is at least largely from the presence in English of two pre=
=3D=0D
fixes
> un-. One means "not" and is the cognate of German un-, Latin in-, Greek a=
=3D=0D
n-,
> and Russian ne-; the other means "opposite" and is the cognate of German =
=3D=0D
ent-,
> Greek anti-, and nothing springs to mind in Russian. They can often be ap=
=3D=0D
plied
> to the same word: a string can be untied, meaning that it is not tied and=
=3D=0D
may
> never have been tied; or it can be untied, meaning that someone unties it=
=3D=0D
.

Being anything else than a scholar of German grammar, just one remark (I th=
=3D=0D
ink .ivan. can help here!):

German "ent-" doesn't function the way like Greek "anti-" does. Comparing E=
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nglish and German use of "un-" maybe will show the=20
difference:
a string can be untied, meaning that it is not tied =3D "ungebunden" (not b=
ou=3D=0D
nd, free, loose etc.)
untied, meaning that someone unties/had untied it =3D "entbinden/entbunden"=
(=3D=0D
e.g. give birth, set free from an obligatione etc.)

In German, there's no way to say "unbinden" i.e. in the sense of English "u=
=3D=0D
ntie" (aufbinden, l=F6sen etc.)

.aulun.