From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sat Dec 09 09:39:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 17:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 59776 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 17:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 17:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 18:40:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.132] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 17:39:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:39:26 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: Triple number Message-ID: <90tqoe+dmqt@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3A31E782.7A8E16EE@math.bas.bg> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1543 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, Ivan A Derzhanski wrote: > I don't really think anyone is likely to take seriously the stuff > that got posted here when Pycyn left his keyboard unattended, but > just in case: I'm wondering what kind of weird jokes and so-called "proverbs" are going t= =3D=0D hrough your minds over there :-) ... of Hungarian=20 noblemen etc. > (2) numbers large than 3 (especially 7, 100 and 1000) are mentioned > in many Hungarian proverbs, idioms and the like, so it is hard to > imagine how anyone, even a nobleman, can fail to have heard of them; Egy, kett=F6, h=E1rom, n=E9gy, =F6t, hat, h=E9,t nyolc, kilenc, tiz... h=FA= sz, harminc,=3D=0D negyven... sz=E1z, ezer, milli=F3... There's no need referring to proverbs and idioms, just have a look on bank= =3D=0D notes... (maybe Hungarian noblemen have nothing to do=20 with trivial stuff like moneycash, and also have their servants count their= =3D=0D children, horses, cattle, castles etc.)=20 > (3) a trial number (in addition to singular, dual and plural) is a > characteristic feature of the grammatical systems of the languages > of Melanesia, Micronesia and New Guinea. Yes, as far I know, in personal pronouns. I'd be interested in the social background causing the need for these "tria= =3D=0D l"-forms. With "duals" for nouns, this is quite obvious, not so for dual of pronouns.= =3D=0D =20 BTW, many dual forms changed for simple plural, e.g. Greek "noi" -> Latin "= =3D=0D nos"; Bavarian "=E9ss" (you both) and "enk" (to you=20 both) -> German "Ihr" (pl. you) and "Euch" (pl. to you) .aulun.=20