From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sun Dec 10 03:50:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Dec 2000 11:50:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 42573 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2000 11:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2000 11:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Dec 2000 12:51:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.103] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2000 11:50:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:49:57 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: Bringing it about that Message-ID: <90vql5+ouak@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1149 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" --- In lojban@egroups.com, "michael helsem" wrote: > >From: "And Rosta" > li'o > >nitcu, djica and above all > >sisku, which makes sense only with a tu'a. > > is not TROCI CO KARGAU et al feasible? > > i don't see the difference between e.g. > PLINI SISKU & SISKU LO PLINI for non-academic > purposes... it seems to me that "sumti-raising" > as a separate issue derives from NU LOGJI TERPA that > is more GLIJBO than LOBYKAI... how often does this > create a misunderstanding that isn't readily guessable > from context? .i tugni fi le du'u di'u mi troci le vorme / mi troci tu'a le vorme (mi troci co kargau le vorme) mi troci le karce / mit troci tu'a le karce (mit troci co muvgau le karce) mi troci lo ninmu / mi troci tu'a lo ninmu (.i cumki smuni lu troci co gletu lo ninmu li'u) mi zbasu loi karce / mi zbasu tu'a loi karce (.i pe'i lenu pilno zo tu'a cu tolsa'u) mi zbasu lo ninmu / mi zbasu tu'a lo ninmu (zo'o mi ganai le cevrirni gi lenu pilno zo tu'a cu mutce sarcu) ca lenu la .iesus. cu cpana le cmana ku la tolcev. pu ciroi troci tu'a ra (.i zo troci cu du'u pacyxlu) co'o mi'e la .aulun.