From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Dec 12 07:32:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 15:32:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 94247 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 15:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 15:31:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 16:33:04 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13364; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:32:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A36448F.70706@reutershealth.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:30:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001107 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: And Rosta Cc: "a.rosta" , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] sisku (was: Re: bringing it about) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan And Rosta wrote: >>> There's a book that I'm looking for. >> da poi cusku zo'u mi sisku lo ka [ke'a] me da > > Does "X me Y" mean "X pertains to Y" or does it > mean "everything that is true of Y is true of X" > (or some close counterpart thereof)? I seem to > recall that the former is closer to the mark, > which would nix your solution. The former was the original Lojban position, but under the pressure of Randall Holmes, the TLI logician, both branches of Loglan adopted the position that "me X" means "is an X/is some Xs". > Counts as one and the same in one sense, but I was > thinking of a single brivla, so "X seeks Y" would be > "X brivla Y". If we allowed such a thing, then we would be trapped by the extensionality of sumti outside abstractions, so seeking a unicorn and seeking an antelope (in North America) would be the same thing, namely, seeking nothing. -- There is / one art || John Cowan no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com to do / all things || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein