From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Tue Dec 12 15:14:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 23:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 35767 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 23:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 23:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amersham.mail.uk.easynet.net) (195.40.1.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 23:14:08 -0000 Received: from rrbcurnow.freeuk.com (tnt-5-134.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.134]) by amersham.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCA017534 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:14:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 145ybh-000026-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:13:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:13:13 +0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] fu'ivla tarmi Message-ID: <20001212231313.D108@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Reply-To: Richard Curnow Mail-Followup-To: lojban@egroups.com References: <0012091808170I.20188@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i-nntp In-Reply-To: ; from cowan@ccil.org on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 08:26:24AM -0500 From: Richard Curnow On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 08:26:24AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > The rules for valid fu'ivla are known to be incomplete. > It's clear to me, however, that anything which breaks up is not valid. > I was thinking about this word breaking issue again today, particularly after the "iglu zbasu" example cited a couple of weeks ago. What worries me is lujvo of the form CVVCCV followed by a gismu. For (a contrived) example, the words "ci'ebra zbasu" would be stressed thus if spoken ci'Ebra zbAsu ^ ^ +------+---- stress but consider how "ci'e brazbasu" could be spoken (given that cmavo can be arbitrarily stressed) ci'E brazbAsu ^ ^ +------+---- stress i.e. the same! I'm not sure how these two cases can be distinguished in the spoken language. What am I missing? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare United Kingdom http://go.to/richard.curnow/